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Post by rivenixbt on Oct 6, 2006 22:50:31 GMT -5
There isn't the problem with all the sites... For me it was always this way - sites don't differ by providing exclusives, because very rarely someone lives at the appropriate location/has the money to do what you do. That's why I am jumpy about the videos and the exclusive. I guess I'm expecting you to be an altruist.
For me sites mainly differ by auditory, the type of people that live there. That's what I care about. The forum. The videos - I really don't care where I get them from and how. I may be interested in who provided them, but I can get them from any site, whether it got there normaly or not. A site lives on its creativity, not videos. Creativity determines who is going to be there. Sites don't compete with videos because that doesn't make sense.
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Post by lvcambot on Oct 7, 2006 3:04:54 GMT -5
How can you justify a price for copying pictures and media for your web site.
A Fan is a Fan. They do it out of the love of the subject. Hiding behind the "Costs" of your hobby is stupid. If you have stuff that you don't want copied then add a tag to them. Adding a tag to your video is what editing software is for.
If your Lexx hobby is costing you so much money.. Then stop already. Nobody is twisting your arm on this issue.
Oh and if all you are doing is capturing pictures and reproducing Lexx content for a public web site, you are nothing more than a thief. The folks that use your stuff are doing the same thing you did. If you can't see this you are blind.
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Post by lvcambot on Oct 7, 2006 3:12:50 GMT -5
Riven,
Internet Cafe's are in every country. They have broadband connections available to the public. So spend a few bucks and watch all the Free video that you want.
If Lexxzone.com gave the ability to download their video.. A person could copy that video so you could watch it without the cost of Broadband.
Now do you understand?
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Post by lvcambot on Oct 7, 2006 3:22:28 GMT -5
You know Lv, you're being very nasty for no reason. You might want to consider the fact that you're on a cast member's board and have a little respect for others. No one has been snotty to you, so you just need to chill out your nasty attitude a bit. If you want to discuss Lexx, more power to you, if you want to be a jerk, find another board. Brian doesn't like flaming here. I'm not threating people.. you are. I have great respect for Fans of Lexx. I also think the world of Brian Downey. It is a really great that he gives of himself here. We all should feel lucky that Brian cares about his fans. In fact if he ever comes back to Vegas I'd buy him the dinner of his choice. I have no idea why you are here. GENE |
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Post by rivenixbt on Oct 7, 2006 15:06:38 GMT -5
Internet cafe's in every country? Oh, you are very informed about Russia, are you? It's pretty hard to find a cafe in there. It's expensive, too. And I still stand that is not really a way out of the situation.
I don't live in Russia, I live in New Jersey, don't worry about me, I don't relate to that at all. I myself am pretty annoyed at all the dial-upers, but, I'm afraid, they are there.
I don't support Lexxzone's policy (and if you read at least half of my posts you would understand that), but, as you said, if the video is somewhere, it is everywhere, because you can at least take your camera and record it. Then you can just spread it via p2p or, I dunno, some other place that doesn't belong to anyone, and you won't even be known. The problem is with putting it on a site is that Lexxzone's people will go around picking on everybody saying that it is their video.
Speaking of a cast's members board... I'm wondering, where are all the LEXX fans? Dissappeared? It is a cast member's board, one of the most improtant cast member's, in fact, and this board is empty. It's supposed to be swarming with fans. And don't tell me there is nothing to discuss, some *other* boards are not all that empty...
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Post by aphroditeschild on Oct 7, 2006 17:58:35 GMT -5
How can you justify a price for copying pictures and media for your web site. A Fan is a Fan. They do it out of the love of the subject. Hiding behind the "Costs" of your hobby is stupid. If you have stuff that you don't want copied then add a tag to them. Adding a tag to your video is what editing software is for. If your Lexx hobby is costing you so much money.. Then stop already. Nobody is twisting your arm on this issue. Oh and if all you are doing is capturing pictures and reproducing Lexx content for a public web site, you are nothing more than a thief. The folks that use your stuff are doing the same thing you did. If you can't see this you are blind. GENE Well it appears that nothing anyone says to you will calm you down and make you stop insulting folks. My Lexx hobby costing money is not the issue, but the people that spent a ton of money to provide you guys with some great video and audio, and all we see is insults, criticism, (ok for you to do it, but not for anyone else?) of the video. Now you call me a thief. The fans sites around the world for ALL shows are thieves then, I guess, right? So are Saddys, Lexxfans, and all the other Lexx websites, are they? Please go over there and call them theives for having Lexx pics on their sites. So if you have Lexx show pics on your site does that make you a thief too? I wonder. If someone gives me pics that THEY took, and don't want others to profit off of them, then why are you blaming me for sticking up for their rights? It's all about not being able to download the video. I guess the homemade fan video is more important to you than an actual Lexx cast member panel from a huge convention, shot in Hi-Def by the WEBMASTER of this site, and it was no day at the beach to accomplish. Please stop crying about the quality and at least be grateful we have someone that wants to do so much for the fans. If he doesn't want it uploaded other places, just deal with it, and get over it. In the future, when he announces the videos that he's still working on, feel free to ignore the post and not watch them. It's a free country, no one is holding a gun to your head to make you watch them. Enough drama over this subject. really. |
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Post by aphroditeschild on Oct 7, 2006 18:16:39 GMT -5
There isn't the problem with all the sites... For me it was always this way - sites don't differ by providing exclusives, because very rarely someone lives at the appropriate location/has the money to do what you do. That's why I am jumpy about the videos and the exclusive. I guess I'm expecting you to be an altruist. For me sites mainly differ by auditory, the type of people that live there. That's what I care about. The forum. The videos - I really don't care where I get them from and how. I may be interested in who provided them, but I can get them from any site, whether it got there normaly or not. A site lives on its creativity, not videos. Creativity determines who is going to be there. Sites don't compete with videos because that doesn't make sense. Well we beleive Lexxzone.com to be very creative,  and the other sites associated with it as well. Being an altruist is great, but sometimes people are rude and take advantage of you. We've put up tons of pics, video, audio, etc for over 3 years and this is the first time there's ever been an issue with what anyone does with it. Please have respect for the owners of the files if they don't want them used on other sites. We gave a whole lot of stuff for download, and let people use them on their sites, but these things are different, the owners want to use them a different way. Please respect that. You guys get plenty of stuff from all of us... |
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Post by rivenixbt on Oct 7, 2006 18:59:28 GMT -5
Lexxzone is creative, but not due to videos, I think. How can a person take advantage of a video? How can a person profit from placing a video anywhere? What does it matter about where the videos come from? As long as people know who made it, why does it matter if it came from Lexxzone, briandowneys, lexxfans, or druid.ru? If you create a video of some Lexx cast, you probably intend it for all lexxians out there? You don't intend it to be a promotion of your site, do you? That's what I meant by altruism, releasing things of the sort as though it's under GNU, free to see to all to use everywhere. But that is just my opinion about rights. Look at this this way. If you make a video of the cast, it's yours, right? You can keep it, you can hide it in your computer, you can even delete it off your hard drive. But, if someone is organizing a Lexx panel, don't they expect anyone to record it, don't they expect all Lexxians to see it? See how here the intentions of those who made the cast go past the law of your private keeping? You can release the video absolutely free, but at the same time you can not release it at all, but is not releasing the video at all is the right thing? It isn't, is it? Then how releasing it only for your site is more right? In my opinion, you are not doing people a favor or something when you are releasing a video, you are doing pretty much what you must do if you already made that video in the first place. That's what I mean. That video is yours only technically, it really belongs to everyone. But, again, that is my opinion only. I guess I like GNU public license and hate AA too much. I guess the homemade fan video is more important to you than an actual Lexx cast member panel from a huge convention, shot in Hi-Def by the WEBMASTER of this site, and it was no day at the beach to accomplish. Well, actually, they are equaly important. To me, the fan-video is more important because fan productions is what keeps the whole Lexx fandom alive. Especially 3-5 years later, when most conventions will cease. I probably even look too far, I'm afraid Lexx fandom may totaly die by the time... anyway, that fan video probably wasn't as proffessional as you want it to be, but, for one thing, it's a start, for another there are no alternatives. And after thi s video, it will grow further. You ever saw what all the Star Wars people make? They make really cool stuff back there. Why, because there is a lot of them, because they are doing it for a long time, and because they believe in it. That is why this little not-so-good fan video is so important to me. Conventions come, conventions go. People keep their own fandom up. P.S.: I don't care who shot the video in relation to the site, whether it's the webmaster, moderator, user, or someone in ban. That doesn't matter at all. I care that Chatins did, but I don't like it more or less because he/she is a webmaster. |
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Post by rivenixbt on Oct 8, 2006 13:44:06 GMT -5
I used to swarm here all the time.  You are one person... I'm swarming here too, in a way. But there is very few people... |
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Post by Alori on Oct 8, 2006 21:33:30 GMT -5
Sorry..but I just had to put my one two cents in on this one. With regards to availability of content and the need to be proprietary, I must say that I don't agree that sharing these things diminishes the originality of websites and content. People inherently know that even if they "borrow" something from another site, they still have to find fresh and different ways to be innovative. They just do it in other ways...like adding some of their own stuff, or use of creative writing...or focusing on different aspects of the shows. There are many ways to be original. Just because they take a few of the same videos or pics and put them on their sites does NOT mean they will all look the same. It just means that there will be more for general fans to access. Right now, fans have to search High and Low to find content because they don't know where to look for a particular thing. It's alot of hassle. Jeez, when I go to a mall, isn't a mall pretty much made up of the same shops scattered around all over the place? Can't I get the same stuff at any mall regardless of where I go? Okay..let's take that further. Suppose I am looking for a favorite CD...chances are if I go to any mall I'm going to be able to find it. And that's great. It makes it easier for me to get what I'm looking for. But now suppose I live in New Jersey and not Miami. I'm likely to go to a New Jersey Mall obviously because it's close and I'm familiar with it. I wouldn't bother with the one in Miami for obvious reasons. But suppose that CD I wanted only existed in Miami? That would pretty much suck wouldn't it? Well that's what it's like for people from other countries. Someone from Russia or Germany who doesn't speak or read English isn't likely to go to Lexxzone.com to get a fan video because they wouldn't even know where to begin to look for it. But if Lexxzone didn't get so proprietary with their videos, then the Russian sites could download them and then the fan who doesn't speak English would be able to find it just fine. Maybe the Russian site might even add subtitles as a nice touch. The point is: ACCESS. These are customers...FANS...okay? FANS!! We want to attract them with lots of readily available pics and vids...at least I thought that was the idea. NOT hide our stuff away in a little cubby on our website where only a small portion of the fan population can find them. I for one will always freely share ANY and ALL of my pics and vids that I create in the future because I could care less whether they are being used on other sites. You know why that is? It's because I'm not concerned about someone making their website look exactly like mine...which is ludicrous and a silly thing to fear because it's simply not likely to happen...it's because I want to make sure that the stuff that celebrates BRIAN, MICHAEL, XENIA, JEFF and any other cast member is exposed to AS MANY FANS AS POSSIBLE. That's the whole point...in my opinion. How can one claim to be proprietary about something that they can't even make money off of?  I mean come on people...aren't we missing the point here? This stuff is supposed to be for the benefit of the CAST..okay? NOT YOU!! This isn't supposed to be about you and how exclusive your stuff is. Do you think that the cast would be happy to know that you are being very proprietary about stuff that could be helping them get exposure? After all...they're the ones who put in the hard work and effort to create this show in the first place. I know Michael--for one--said that he is flattered when his stuff is put on display--provided it helps him get work as an actor. Do you think he'd be all in favor of fans making sure that only those who have exclusive connections to those who can afford to attend these conventions get to see his interviews? I highly doubt it. How is that benifiting him??? Think about it. Amazingly these issues rarely even come up on other fan sites...like Star Wars and Star Trek because the fans there don't seem to have a problem with sharing. I don't see Star Trek's or Star Wars's fan base dying off any time soon..and I certainly haven't witnessed the so called uniformity problem of content. All those sites are thriving...full of shared content..and quite diverse in fact. The only place I am seeing this issue come up time and time again is here. And do you know why that is? It's because LEXX was poorly marketed in the first place, yet it has many many starved fans who are desperate for anything...ANYTHING LEXX. And there a select few who have access who have suddenly gotten a little self important with all the attention and begging going on, that they'd decided to play a game of keep away with their content. You can see only this much...take only this much..but the rest is all mine. In my opinion, attitudes like that only spark animosity and ensure that fans will get tired of begging and move on. After all...who wants to feel like dog at the table begging for scraps? And that's exactly what these places make us feel like. Instead of celebrating the show and saying hey, isn't this great? We encourage you to spread this around and share the love of lexx with more fans. Do with it what you will and hopefully more fans will come and share their own stuff too. Let's make LEXX a household word. Or encouraging people to create things....works of art..from pics that aren't copyrighted. Geez...if AA felt the same way about their content that these sites feel about theirs..there would be no LEXX on the web at all. AA would be hoarding it and suing every single fan that dares to touch their stuff..and believe me they can. Anything LEXX related belongs exclusively to AA. We should be grateful that they've allowed all of us to enjoy THEIR content for as long as we have. So take an example from the source...AA and stop acting so proprietary. You all know who you are..and you are the ones destroying this fandom. I implore you to ease up on the restrictions and let us prove to you that we aren't going to become a universe of automatons that all have exactly the same content. That's just plain stupid. |
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Post by Alori on Oct 8, 2006 21:54:34 GMT -5
Speaking of a cast's members board... I'm wondering, where are all the LEXX fans? Dissappeared? It is a cast member's board, one of the most improtant cast member's, in fact, and this board is empty. It's supposed to be swarming with fans. And don't tell me there is nothing to discuss, some *other* boards are not all that empty... I used to swarm here all the time. Oh...and congratulations Janika on your CF fundraising walk. I understand you've even organized a TEAM LEXX for next year. Now that's the kind of stuff we should really be focusing on. Here are the pics from the event if anyone is interested: brunniswarrior.proboards91.com/index.cgi?board=off&action=display&thread=1157758920 |
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Post by rivenixbt on Oct 8, 2006 21:56:08 GMT -5
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Post by aphroditeschild on Oct 8, 2006 22:36:17 GMT -5
This is most ridiculous batch of nonsense I've ever heard. If someone wants to see the video, can't they just post a link? Their arms arent' broken, and their fingers still work. We gave TONS of stuff for free downloads to the Lexx fans or have you forgotten the Dark Zone Trading Post which has been up for 3 YEARS giving fans free video and audio to use on their sites. And NO ONE complained about anyone using them, even though people were.
This only became a problem when it was pics of Michael, pure and simple. We gave pics for free DOWNLOADS for folks to keep on their hard drives. If someone wants to share that source of pics with other Lexx fans on their own sites, all they have to do is POST a link to the orignial page.
I'm sick and tired of hearing all this whining about Lexxzone being 'proprietary' with their stuff. The only stuff we've ever had a discussion of this kind is with the Michael stuff. Interesting isn't it?
Oh and I find it interesting that you're endorsing copyright infringement of someone else's work. I don't care what Star Trek fans do, If you grabbed someone's Star Trek fan video and put it on your site to grab fans for your own glorification, don't think for one minute that the Star Trek fan who took the video wouldn't hunt you down. Try it sometime..
As for the rest of it, if you want to view the video and share it, POST A LINK. Video doesn't have to be translated into German or Russian for a fan just to see what they do. You can always post a transcript by itself, but I REITERATE !
Let the person who OWNS the pics or video have the right to do what they want with it !! Gosh, how hard is that to understand? IT"s their property, geez !
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Post by rivenixbt on Oct 8, 2006 22:44:42 GMT -5
And NO ONE complained about anyone using them, even though people were. Yeah, until you started complaining at other people stealing things, complaining that they thumbnailed things, and creating an attitude as thought they commited some serious crime. I'm sick and tired of hearing all this whining about Lexxzone being 'proprietary' with their stuff. Some people are sick and tired of "they stole that from us" "they stole this from us". If you grabbed someone's Star Trek fan video and put it on your site to grab fans for your own glorification, don't think for one minute that the Star Trek fan who took the video wouldn't hunt you down. The only one that is busy with glorification here is you. As for the rest of it, if you want to view the video and share it, POST A LINK. Video doesn't have to be translated into German or Russian for a fan just to see what they do. You can always post a transcript by itself, but I REITERATE ! Yeah, and if someone didn't post a link by accident, they are your eternal enemies now, right? Let the person who OWNS the pics or video have the right to do what they want with it !! Gosh, how hard is that to understand? IT"s their property, geez ! It's not their property. It's the property of the fans. And, as Alori said, by the cast. By the people for the people. |
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Post by aphroditeschild on Oct 8, 2006 23:03:14 GMT -5
Look, it's useless for me to argue with someone who has no concept of the basis of the argument.
And it's really horrendous that Diane (Alori) has to bring this huge rant to Brian's board when it has absolutely no reason to even be discussed here.
No matter how much you guys whine and complain and invent arguments, the fact is, the owners of the pics and video will keep stuff close at hand from now on, whether you like it or not. So you can stop complaining and arguing about it, Just get over it, nothing you can say is going to change any of this. One fan doesn't have the right to take other fan's private material without permission.
End of story.
Y'all have a nice day...
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and the other sites associated with it as well. Being an altruist is great, but sometimes people are rude and take advantage of you. We've put up tons of pics, video, audio, etc for over 3 years and this is the first time there's ever been an issue with what anyone does with it. Please have respect for the owners of the files if they don't want them used on other sites. We gave a whole lot of stuff for download, and let people use them on their sites, but these things are different, the owners want to use them a different way. Please respect that. You guys get plenty of stuff from all of us...
I mean come on people...aren't we missing the point here? This stuff is supposed to be for the benefit of the CAST..okay? NOT YOU!! This isn't supposed to be about you and how exclusive your stuff is. Do you think that the cast would be happy to know that you are being very proprietary about stuff that could be helping them get exposure? After all...they're the ones who put in the hard work and effort to create this show in the first place.